The Fugue State

As I promised to Jack Layton, I did indeed take 2 hours off work to watch the debates.  More as I add to this post.

For more on the stuff here, see my LJ (there’s a switch)

Oh I should mention an important fact(thanks Saskboy for pointing this out); I work for the NDP.  I am not an NDP member, so my views aren’t necessarily even close to the NDPs, but I should be pointing this out nonetheless.  I don’t intend to mislead you by neglecting to mention this, I just started there not that long ago and I haven’t quite picked up the habit of putting this disclaimer up routinely yet.  In my mind I’m pretty much just a university student still.

Layton: Tax cuts

200$ tax cut package

May; lower dollar

Harper: Net job gain
<What kind of jobs?!! No mention of what pay>

Layton: keeps interrupting harper

Duceppe: Sauceanble development

Tax investment to buy machinery equipment

Layton: Elizabeth is right on,
elizabeth is right on what’s going on in the Real Economy

Dion approach would be “Far too socialist”
* invest in infrastructure
* cut taxes on income, savings

Layton:
Dion is full of shit, since he’s followed the CRAP
Pin everything on tax cut, everything will be well
real economy

Dion cherrypicks sweden

Manufacturing jobs:

Harper,
100,000 they are coming back,
we should be getting jobs of future
Automobile/aerospace sector gets us those jobs
Science & tech strategy

May
* we need to Bring pulp, paper, manufacturing back
Families need jobs in the communities where they live
grow athabasca at all costs is a bad idea
Billions of dollars in coast guard

Layton:
* Forests dissapearing, going elsewhere
screw division of labour between countries, exporting raw resources
and letting the US do the higher development
* We can get the jobs back IF we get them back

Dion:
* Don’t lose manufacturing sector, it’s a terrible thing
* Investments in manufacturing sector, flahrty says we are not
here to choose winners and losers

Harper:
* We are not bailing out banking system
* we have best infrastructure investment, gas tax transfer, we have
special investments in forrestry, aerospace, etc
* We are not laissez faire
Moderator: but is it working?
* we are keeping economy on course
* we can do better in area, but we aren’t in the economic crisis in the US

Duceppe:
Buy Canadian

Layton:
* Buy Canadian
* _E Bad trade deals
* The strategies aren’t there
* Plans to keep factories working in the short term
worked in BC, can work in canada

May:
* Buy Canada
* Defense is contracted out to china

Dion:
* avoid deficit, boost R&D investment, capital tools

“Where is your platform, in your sweater?”

Deficits?

Harper:
We can stay in surplus

May:
The market may leave us with a deficit

Dion:
We will not tax

NDP:
We will Absolutely Not have an imbalanced budget

Duceppe:
Anti-deficit law????

Dion:
Carbon tax makes us more competitive, by decreasing
taxes on what creates wealth; investments, savings
This is for the workers & families

Harper:
Carbon tax is actually a net tax increase
Balancing economy/CO2

Layton:
Unwillingness to act.
make big proposals pay
use every penny to stimulating the new energy economy,
public transportation, energy efficiency

Duceppe:
1) Apply Kyoto, choosing 1990 as year of reference
2) Actually have targets
3) CO2 exchange
4) Each province will apply their own plan.  NDP/Liberals support territorial
approach
SK increased CO2 by 60%

Harper:
Dion’s Tax increases are twice the increase.

Dion: he’s a liar
40B$
20,000$ == family in poverty
Green Shift

May:
Technically, the tax shift AS it has worked in the rest of
the world is more like the greens

Duceppe:
Each province will have its own plan between based on 1990-2006
Does harper

Harper:
Companies pay into tech fund if they don’t meet profit(this isn’t taxes?)

Duceppe:
EU approach for CO2
Absolute targets in country
In addition, local targets for each part of the country

Layton:
Intensity based target
…they can increased BBl/d,
Tarsands
We are missing out on new energy economy!

Dion:
Cost of fossil fuels is big
if we act now, we’ll be fine
if we ignore issue, we’ll be in trouble in short, med, long term

Harper:
Tarsands
Toughest targets are on the biggest producers
Carbon capture on tarsands
Prohibit export of raw bitumen

May:
* weakest target in the western world
* the shame of canada to be the only Kyoto signatory
* obstructed progress even more than bush at UN conferences
* canada works better when there’s leadership on federal level

Layton:
New projects would have to be virtually

Dion:
Our plan is liked by the authorities

Harper:
Oilsands targets,
Expanded protected areas, protected great bear rainforest
largest marine sanctuary in the world
indoor air quality
lots of

May: well done on protected areas, but everything else you said was
a lie

———-
Healthcare
———-
Doctor shortage in canada

Layton:
That’s one of the most important things we have
increase by 50% the # of doctors trained in canada,
60%
forgive student debts if they commit to medicine in canada for a decade
Harper says, cut taxes, and say it’s up to the provinces

Duceppe:
This is a provincial/quebec jurisdiction problem.  Ottawa is telling
provinces what to do.  Old story, ottawa knows best.
They should be taking care of aboriginal people/food inspection, stuff
that IS a federal matter(HAH, diverting blame and

May:
We lost 21% of hospital bed 93-97
Cut back on doctors, sick people stay in hospitals longer
* Healthcare for Everyone
Doctors don’t have student debt, Hospital beds to meet need
NAFTA CH11 says that we can’t do shit

Dion:
Doctors are aging.  This is a problem
Provinces are asking us to be part of soln
Work with Assn of doctors & nurses

Harper:
* Liberal govt made cuts in healthcare/schools on healthcare,
that has consequences
(ignores the reason they made those cuts)

Layton:
You lead the student groups

Harper:
Our party has been committed to universal healthcare <jamie says: insurance> system
1B$ to insurance

Dion:
* We saved healthcare from conservative disasters<?>
* waiting lists is a broken promise
* we need to increase doctors & nurses count

May:
IMF if we have credit rating, we need to cut hospital bays
NAFTA CH11,
yes cuts in 90s, but these were due to international pressure
Check out
Vision green, risk under Ch11 for profit medicine coming into

Duceppe:
Provincial jurisdiction
When ottawa has money, they intervene
when they want to cut, they let provinces handle it

…

Dion:
Drugs are not free, and yet they may be necessary
in “Catastrophic drugs” situations

Harper:
national cancer strategy
mental health commission of canada
cooperate with provinces

Layton:
health of aboritinals is left untouched by harper
Coverage for medication for what they need
Pharmicare was promised by liberals…never happened

—-
Arts
—-

Duceppe:
* Is a family artist
* thinks its awful for harper to make cuts
* how can you cut culture…the soul of a nation
Conference board 8% of GNP 85B 314,000 jobs

May:
* Censorship is an issue here
* there is a creative class, great investment, economic progress, health
* it’s part of who we are, hollywood is overwhelming us, protect canadian
identities

Dion:
* it’s fun. We need to have more fun.
* big industry, govt roi is good
* it’s our identity

Harper:
* plays piano!?
* <appeal to family>
* 500$ tax credit for every child, this somehow translates to cultural activities

Layton
* he’s going to
* arts is poorest workers we have
* first 20,000$ made on copyright tax free

<extrapolate for jamie why this was a potentially disasterous frame>

…

Duceppe:
* raised 8% increased, BUT part of culture within that culture 8% reduced

Harper:
* budget for arts & culture has gone up
* reallocated money around within to what we think has better roi
* we’ve increased cbc
* “more effective”
* manage money durring difficult times

May:
* mean spirited cuts are due to data mining

Layton:
* Censor & limit freedom of expression on criticism
* the programas that get cut are the ones that take controversial ideas
forward
* foreign promotion of small films

Dion:
* we planned to double budget on arts, crap cancelled it

Duceppe:
We asked for the Cost-benefit reports, the conservatives refused to show
analysis

Harper:
but we’ve increased stuff, there is no ideological bias here!

Layton:
* Arts budgets should not have to be justified.  Job creation flows…
My riding needs this

——
increase of violent crime

May:
* News coverage of events is up…but rate of violent crime is down
* ban handguns, semiautomatic weapons
* rural canadians need to have less complex/less burdonsome system
for regulation of their weapons
* meaningful sentancing

Dion:
* violent crime is human tragedy
* meaningful sentancing,
* CAUSES of crime. poverty, addiction, mental problems.
* liberals will solve these

Harper:
* Problems: Gangs, guns & drugs
* we’ll deal with Young offender repeaters
* the REAL issue is property crime

Layton:
* stray bullets / gangs downtown killed 3 of my voters
* ban handguns in streets, law enforcement officers are the only ones who
need them

Duceppe:
* Quebec is decreasing more than anywhere
* Young offenders is decreasing
* Harper government hasn’t got right targets,
instead of putting people in jail, better education
* we should be hitting hardened criminals, tough measures
* none of the above have plans for victims

May:
* Literacy is an essential element in keeping kids out of crime
* Harper killed 17B$ on literacy

Harper:
* We cut 17B$ because the program didn’t work
* We have to invest in literacy
* Serious violent crime has serious penalties. other parties don’t do this
* Property crimes are the only ones worth mentioning by harper

layton:
* give families with kids 400$/kid/year so that poor families can get
right start in life, that will reduce crime (????)

Layton:
* Harper wants to Deprive judges of their ability to judge,
* Judges think harper is going too far, it will not make things safer
* harper will jailing young offenders

Harper:
* In extreme and violent cases,
* 40% of house arrest is violated (in some areas)
* rings of property crime

Duceppe:
* Quebec works well, we don’t need philosophy imported from US,
more people in prison, this isn’t quebec

May:
Around the world, minnimum sentances doesn’t work
22$m in BC alone, because you don’t want judges to determine sentances
Current act seperates young people from hardened adult criminals

Layton:
* shameful percentage of aboriginal people in jail
* 4 family jammed into house built for 1, 18 kids sleeping in shifts
* no schools to go to
* water they can’t drink
* food they can’t afford
* how are they going to make their way?  This is a national
* we need to do better, an appology only makes sense if you do change

Harper:
* police, victims groups, terrible violent crimes, sentances that are
not sufficient, violent criminals back on street in short order
* “compassion for victims as we have for criminals”

Dion:
* harper increases incarceration but not safety
* Layton got into coalition to kill kelowna

Layton:
Not true.  Do your opposition supported the canadians

———–
Afghanistan
———–

Harper:
2011, canada will have been in afghanistan for 10 years, we can’t be
Pacify the country, train police, afghan military & police
karzai agrees
<ignores taliban>

Layton:
no soldiers serves in vain, you serve parliament
withdrawl troops
we should be a voice for peace,  not war
karzai recommends
<ignores taliban>

Duceppe:
Not balanced mission, need more humanitary aid, less military
large peace plan in middle east, afghanistan is part of middle east

May:
* this is not a history free zone as harper is treating it
* humanitarian crisis leads to vacuum of power
* destruction of poppy only turns people to taliban
* poppies into medicinal drugs for developing countries, decrease taliban
and bring islamic world in to afghanistan

Dion:
* we are there for the afghanistan people’s interest
* peace, democracy
* 2011 security for people of afghanistan (from taliban)
* stay the course

Harper:
* if we never leave, will the job ever be done
* let the afghans deal with this crap
* afghanistan is a UN operation, was a UN operation
(lie, this is a NATO/ISAF mission)

Layton:
* we can’t trust you, since this is all derived from bush philosophy
* we can’t trust liberals, committed to 2009 withdrawl…then 2011 he’s
changing his mind
* withdrawl troops, start when I’m elected

Dion:
* we can’t leave immediately?!
* we’ll respect end date but we need

Duceppe:
* situation is so tough in afghanistan because of bush going into iraq
* harper supported george bush in his plagarised

Harper
* Mission of UN
* obama increase america in afghan

May:
* NOT UN mission
* UN sanctioned it yes, but it’s not a UN mission
* we need to have it NOT be percieved as a western mission against islam
* you’re boasting that our development is going to afghan
* CIDA is turning our back on africa because of afghan
* make poverty history
* WHERE are other leaders on the 0.7% GDP on international development

Dion:
* 2011 is only because of election, not the thing he said before the election
we can’t trust him on this

Layton:
* long term commitment of liberals/conservatives is the same
* afghan distracts from making poverty history(?)
* peace dividend

Harper:
* appreciates dion’s support
* dion has changed his position 3 times in 3 years, thanks for agreeing
with us btw

Dion:
* harper says ‘we don’t need an end date, stay until job is done’
* we don’t want george bush

——————-
First thing that you’ll do
——————-

Janice bernier:
fixed election dates lol

Layton:
replace 50B$ corporate tax cut, with investment strategy
low income/seniors, key sectors(environmental sectors)

Duceppe:
1) i’ll ASK the one who WILL be PM to help manufacturing sector
help the victims, old age workers, seniors, huge challanges with their health
2) Apply kyoto
3) blah blah quebec nation

May:
* women can multitask.
1) proportional representation
2) CO2 emissions, stimulating economy

Dion:
we will deal with US economic crisis
take care of savings, morgage, pension
* we’ll prepare fiscal update to be sure WHERE canada is
* propose best cabinet canada has ever had

Harper:
<Global economic uncertainty>
* keep country in surplus
* affordable tax cuts, increasing age excemption for senior citizens
* first time home buyer tax credit
* deisel tax cut
* reduce taxes on small business
* paper burden on small business

Layton:
* Savings, pensions, homes, jobs of canadians
* 50$B tax break to exxon/banks
* dion’s own liberal premeir thinks his plan is bad(missed which plan)

Dion:
* Layton is nuts, the liberal premeir does not think that plan is bad

Moderator:
* premier of ontario, finance/former finance minister said not to make
green shift

Dion:
* cheif economist of TD bank recommended green shift

May:
* Green shift is a green party plan originally
* green shift is what we need to do;
* energy efficiency is important
* fossil fuels will get more efficient
* cut taxes, payroll taxes, we replace those taxes with taxes on pollution
* why are we taking 5B$ from mairried couples, why do you punish
people who are married?

Harper:
* income splitting for pension
* how much is it?

May:
* 5B$

Harper:
* We can’t afford that
* we have good systems of financial regulation in our country, the only
thing that can upset that, is more taxes, to fund taxes that we can’t afford
* “I will not raise taxes, Never”

Dion:
* when harper talks about economy, look at what harper did at income trusts

Harper:
* income splitting for pensioners is something Dion supports

Dion:
* we can do better. the green shift www.thegreenshift.ca

—————————————————-
Unkept Election promises, kissing babies and caring
for seniors until the election
frustrated young voters, rhetoric
.
Trust
—————————————————-

Duceppe:
* What people say before & after…are they representing people…
we should deserve confidence before & after election…
…current action is broken promises
* Fixed Elections
* guarantee income for seniors

May:
* Canadians need to be involved between elections
* Canadians Deserve Better than what they have

Dion:
* Duceppe said all parties are the same
* Canada would have been in iraq had we a conservative govt in 2001-2002
* Same with healthcare, conservatives would get rid of it
* There are Differences between liberals and conservatives
* reconcilling mankind & planet is the big issue of 21st c

Harper:
* every voter has a responsibility to vote
* look at our platform

Layton:
* There is no platform
* the sweater is nice, but there’s no promises for you to even break
* the kitchen table problems are NDP problems.
* take a deep breath and vote for us

————-
flip flopping
————-

Dion:
* changing minds is okay, but breaking your word is different (atlantic accord)
* social net is trust. We need trust

Layton:
* redbook after redbook,

Harper:
* atlantic provinces disagree on atlantic accord
* ?

May:
* transparency is key
* strange finance canada decisions
* atlantic accord was a Contract.  Harper ignored contract,
* “your word is law is no way for a PM to behave”

Duceppe:
* does quebec have a seat in unesco?

Harper:
* Yes

Duceppe:
* you’re a flamin’ liar

Moderator:
please, some civility

Dion:
* I never interrupt you. it’s a matter of trust
* harper said he will “walk all over” CWB,
…problems with safety at nuclear plant? fire the person who claims this
…elections canada

Harper:
* CWB…market voted for it. western farmers want the right to market
* a strong canadian wheat board is what we want
* (?dual market to strengthen the wheat board)

<layton hugged may awww>

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